{"id":117240,"date":"2025-11-15T11:07:07","date_gmt":"2025-11-15T10:07:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jazairhope.org\/?p=117240"},"modified":"2025-11-15T11:07:07","modified_gmt":"2025-11-15T10:07:07","slug":"israel-se-desintegre-preparer-des-maintenant-lapres-sionisme-le-nouveau-livre-dilan-pappe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jazairhope.org\/fr\/israel-se-desintegre-preparer-des-maintenant-lapres-sionisme-le-nouveau-livre-dilan-pappe\/","title":{"rendered":"ISRA\u00cbL SE D\u00c9SINT\u00c8GRE : PR\u00c9PARER D\u00c8S MAINTENANT L\u2019APR\u00c8S-SIONISME (Le nouveau livre d\u2019Ilan Papp\u00e9)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p data-start=\"250\" data-end=\"665\">Dans sa derni\u00e8re \u00e9mission, <strong data-start=\"277\" data-end=\"347\">\u201cWhy Israel is \u2018DISINTEGRATING\u2019: Ilan Papp\u00e9 on the End of Zionism\u201d<\/strong>, diffus\u00e9e sur la cha\u00eene Zeteo, l\u2019historien isra\u00e9lo-britannique Ilan Papp\u00e9 a livr\u00e9 une conversation d\u2019une rare densit\u00e9 avec Mehdi Hasan, face \u00e0 une audience de membres abonn\u00e9s sur Zoom. L\u2019entretien, vif et m\u00e9ticuleux, \u00e9claire ce moment historique o\u00f9, selon Papp\u00e9, l\u2019id\u00e9ologie sioniste <strong data-start=\"632\" data-end=\"662\">atteint sa phase terminale<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"671\" data-end=\"1148\">Cette discussion accompagne la sortie de son nouveau livre, <em data-start=\"731\" data-end=\"821\">Israel on the Brink: Eight Revolutions That Could Lead to Decolonization and Coexistence<\/em>, dans lequel il expose les huit mutations profondes \u2014 sociales, id\u00e9ologiques, g\u00e9opolitiques \u2014 qui pourraient transformer la r\u00e9gion. <em data-start=\"954\" data-end=\"1146\">C\u2019est un texte qui, qu\u2019on l\u2019aime ou non, force \u00e0 regarder la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 en face : Isra\u00ebl n\u2019est plus ce qu\u2019il \u00e9tait, et le sionisme, en vieillissant, r\u00e9v\u00e8le son essence g\u00e9nocidaire et coloniale.<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1154\" data-end=\"1679\">Dans l\u2019\u00e9mission, Papp\u00e9 revient d\u2019abord sur <strong data-start=\"1197\" data-end=\"1226\">la d\u00e9sint\u00e9gration interne<\/strong> d\u2019Isra\u00ebl. Il parle d\u2019un pays devenu une \u201cState of Judea\u201d, anim\u00e9 par un messianisme dur, un racisme d\u00e9complex\u00e9, une th\u00e9ocratie assum\u00e9e et un appareil politique qui ne partage plus aucune vision commune de l\u2019avenir. Pour lui, cette fragmentation interne compte autant \u2014 sinon plus \u2014 que la pression internationale. <em data-start=\"1540\" data-end=\"1677\">C\u2019est sans doute l\u2019un des points les plus puissants : Isra\u00ebl n\u2019est pas seulement contest\u00e9 de l\u2019ext\u00e9rieur, il se fissure de l\u2019int\u00e9rieur.<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1685\" data-end=\"2093\">Sur le plan id\u00e9ologique, Papp\u00e9 d\u00e9monte la fiction d\u2019un sionisme \u201cprogressiste\u201d. Il parle de <strong data-start=\"1777\" data-end=\"1795\">\u201cdiet Zionism\u201d<\/strong>, cette tentative de pr\u00e9senter une colonisation \u201cadoucissante\u201d ou \u201chumaniste\u201d. Sa phrase est brutale : <em data-start=\"1898\" data-end=\"1977\">\u00ab On ne peut pas \u00eatre colonisateur progressiste, ni socialiste g\u00e9nocidaire. \u00bb<\/em> Et elle enterre, en une ligne, des d\u00e9cennies de rh\u00e9torique occidentale cherchant \u00e0 maquiller l\u2019essence du projet.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2099\" data-end=\"2460\">L\u2019historien d\u00e9monte aussi l\u2019argument de \u201cl\u2019indig\u00e9n\u00e9it\u00e9 juive\u201d comme justification politique. \u00ab Si les Juifs sont indig\u00e8nes \u00e0 la Palestine, alors tous les chr\u00e9tiens et tous les musulmans du monde le sont aussi \u00bb, dit-il. Le lien spirituel \u2014 r\u00e9el, ancien, respectable \u2014 ne cr\u00e9e pas un droit \u00e0 la d\u00e9possession. <em data-start=\"2407\" data-end=\"2458\">Il est rare d\u2019entendre une clart\u00e9 aussi frontale.<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2466\" data-end=\"2951\">Face \u00e0 Mehdi Hasan, Papp\u00e9 aborde ensuite le terrain politique concret : <strong data-start=\"2538\" data-end=\"2590\">la possibilit\u00e9 d\u2019une d\u00e9colonisation non violente<\/strong>. Il admet que ce serait un miracle \u2014 l\u2019histoire montre que les d\u00e9colonisations pacifiques sont rares. Mais il insiste sur la cl\u00e9 : pression internationale r\u00e9elle, sanctions, fin de l\u2019immunit\u00e9 occidentale, notamment am\u00e9ricaine et europ\u00e9enne. Sans cela, dit-il, Isra\u00ebl continuera sa trajectoire, oscillant entre \u201cg\u00e9nocide dramatique\u201d et \u201cg\u00e9nocide incr\u00e9mental\u201d.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2957\" data-end=\"3383\">Un passage marquant concerne <strong data-start=\"2986\" data-end=\"3015\">le leadership palestinien<\/strong>. Mehdi Hasan lui demande si Marwan Barghouti \u2014 probablement le seul leader capable de rassembler \u2014 pourrait \u00eatre lib\u00e9r\u00e9. Papp\u00e9 r\u00e9pond non. Ni Isra\u00ebl, ni m\u00eame certains cercles de l\u2019Autorit\u00e9 palestinienne ne veulent voir \u00e9merger un homme que tous les sondages placent en t\u00eate. <em data-start=\"3291\" data-end=\"3381\">Un aveu amer, qui en dit long sur la peur qu\u2019inspire une vraie alternative d\u00e9mocratique.<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3389\" data-end=\"3816\">L\u2019autre pivot de la conversation : <strong data-start=\"3424\" data-end=\"3450\">le futur post-sioniste<\/strong>. Papp\u00e9 d\u00e9fend un \u00c9tat unique d\u00e9mocratique, avec droit au retour, justice transitionnelle et restitution. Une vision que beaucoup jugent utopiste \u2014 mais que lui voit comme la seule issue r\u00e9elle. Les jeunes Palestiniens qu\u2019il rencontre, dit-il, imaginent un futur qui ne ressemble ni au Hamas ni au Fatah, mais \u00e0 une politique nouvelle, hybride, moderne, connect\u00e9e.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3822\" data-end=\"4332\">Enfin, il insiste sur la n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de <strong data-start=\"3860\" data-end=\"3932\">pr\u00e9parer intellectuellement et institutionnellement l\u2019apr\u00e8s-sionisme<\/strong>. Son projet de <em data-start=\"3948\" data-end=\"3975\">Nakba Memorial Foundation<\/em>, bas\u00e9 \u00e0 Londres, vise \u00e0 pr\u00e9server les archives isra\u00e9liennes (que l\u2019\u00c9tat tente de reclassifier ou d\u00e9truire), \u00e0 \u00e9tablir le lien entre la Nakba de 1948 et les massacres actuels, et \u00e0 rappeler la responsabilit\u00e9 occidentale. <em data-start=\"4196\" data-end=\"4330\">Une mani\u00e8re de dire : la fin du sionisme ne sera pas un automatisme historique, il faut la structurer, la documenter, l\u2019accompagner.<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4338\" data-end=\"4733\">Ce nouvel ouvrage, <em data-start=\"4357\" data-end=\"4378\">Israel on the Brink<\/em>, s\u2019inscrit donc dans un moment o\u00f9 l\u2019histoire vacille. Papp\u00e9 y voit une chance d\u2019\u00e9viter la barbarie d\u2019une fin violente. \u00c0 condition que le monde arr\u00eate de d\u00e9tourner le regard. \u00c0 condition que les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s civiles prennent le relais des gouvernements paralys\u00e9s. \u00c0 condition que les Palestiniens puissent enfin redevenir les auteurs de leur propre avenir.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4739\" data-end=\"5060\"><em data-start=\"4739\" data-end=\"5058\">Ce livre n\u2019est pas un manifeste id\u00e9ologique : c\u2019est un acte de lucidit\u00e9 historique. Papp\u00e9 ne proph\u00e9tise pas l\u2019effondrement d\u2019Isra\u00ebl ; il en d\u00e9crit les m\u00e9canismes d\u00e9j\u00e0 visibles, presque m\u00e9caniques. 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